Is Robin still cool?

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Robin's back in Batman Arkham City, and looking much tougher than I remember him.

But do we really want him back? I've kind of been enjoying Robin-less Batman in both films and games.
Yes he does unfortunately, could of been someone decent atleast

sjt333 said:

Ben said:

shiversul said: Which Robin are you talking about?


Discuss which ever one you like. Although, I was really talking about the returning Robin in Arkham City (pictured).


eminem robin


Hell yeah.

He's actually a lot cooler than Batman now.

Should be 'Robin and Batman' from now on.
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Pilkingbod said:

Beta said:

Pilkingbod said: Give him a more superhero's name, and I'll start taking him seriously.


But he's a sidekick...


And...?
'Sidekick' suggests to me that he's an equal. He fights alongside Batman... not beneath him.
Everyone wants to be Batman... not Robin... and why? Because of his suspiciously gay name (of course, no offense to anyone named Robin... I'm just using it in a Superhero context)



You have it totally wrong.

A "sidekick" is someone that has a back. Is there as backup. He is always the loner that wants to side with the hero and help him out. Sidekicks are to superheroes as PA's are to bosses. Sidekicks are defined by being confederates, assistants. You cannot put Robin on the same level as Batman. Robin is really fighting the fight for the youth. Batman for the greater good.

Sidekicks will and always should fight below a superhero. Fantastic 4 are a team -- they are all equal.

But Robin joins Batman because they fight the same fight -- but Batman is the leader. He IS the team. Robin is the sidekick. They are not equal.

Batman is more equal with Catwoman than he is with Robin.

To me, I hate the Batman-Robin relationship. I don't think it's needed.

I would very much prefer to see the intriguing relationship between Catwoman and Batman. I absolutely love it whenever Catwoman appears in a series, because you just know that Batman is attracted to her, although very cautious. It's a fascinating relationship.

Robin is meant to be a kid that just wants to help Batman out, and most of the time, Batman is cautious of Robin's presence.

Pilkingbod said:

sjt333 said:

Ben said:

shiversul said: Which Robin are you talking about?


Discuss which ever one you like. Although, I was really talking about the returning Robin in Arkham City (pictured).


eminem robin


Hell yeah.
He's actually a lot cooler than Batman now.
Should be 'Robin and Batman' from now on.



I just threw up in my mouth a bit :P

Robin is an afterthought. Gotham is Batman's city, not Robin's. Batman represents democracy, law and order. What does Robin stand for? Revenge? Revolution? You're overrating Robin as a character.

I don't mind Robin, I just think he is pointless, not needed. There is enough conflict in Batman's life as is. Whether it's him as a son or there to secretly kill Batman or whatever, I just never felt like he had a place.

Kerosanak said: Dont you mean Dick Grayson shiv? Hehe


I've been watching Zodiac too much :P
I really liked Robin from the 'Under the Red Hood' anime. He was hot! [Derp]
That wasn't anime, it was western animation... :P

And which? There were two Robins in that.
Well, one was Nightwing :P
It was still the best Robin I've ever watched, and I meant the Robin under the red hood of course. ;) Clearly I don't know much about these things, and I recall NW only having a minute scene towards the end?? I think I'll get the B for it too *_*
He was at the start, and you just spoiled the film for everyone who hasn't seen it :P

shiversul said: He was at the start, and you just spoiled the film for everyone who hasn't seen it



Thankfully I read your post before I did his :P
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spoilt?? oh well, that's too bad, a true batman fan would've seen this movie already...last year. So, I'll need to rewatch this again for more pleasure not that he's in a game, though not the same Robin. [monkey]
I haven't seen it. I'll have to check it out.

btw, it wasn't hard to figure out who it was under the hood, it was more about how it happened being the real question. That is all. [MOG]
What's Batgirl doing these days?

Ben said: What's Batgirl doing these days?



Who? [MOG]

Beta said:

Ben said: What's Batgirl doing these days?


Who?



Actually that might just be a stripper [Shifty]
Im Batman!....also Superman

LMA0 said: Im Batman!....also Superman



This driver's licence ends the argument.

Batman > Robin.
I've been staying out of this because I'd need to write a blog to answer the question properly. :P

As with most comic book characters, there are a number of Robin's and there are an even greater number of interpretations of the character. I you hand yourself over to the author while still choosing who the character is to you. That makes this a tough question to answer. I think I can only speak to the Robin that I see in cmics.

Beta said: Batman is more equal with Catwoman than he is with Robin.
To me, I hate the Batman-Robin relationship. I don't think it's needed... Robin is meant to be a kid that just wants to help Batman out, and most of the time, Batman is cautious of Robin's presence.



I disagree. (trust me this is going to be my short answer)

Batman is a character who was so deeply affected by seeing his parents killed in front of him that he swore he would never let this happen again. He takes up the mantle of the bat to fight crime.

When he witnesses another child go through the same pain of seeing his parents killed, how should he react? He takes him on board recognising that the child (a circus performer) has a natural affinity for many of the skills required in the role.

Batman always has a plan, and he trains Robin essentially to succeed him. To be a better Batman when his time finally comes.

Robin fulfills another important role. Batmans journey is a very dark one. His motivation, to avenge his parents deaths in a most unusual way, sees him on the very fine outer line of sanity. Some would say that it's a line he has crossed. He allows himself so little, and his focus and determination on his single goal is what drives him.

Robin, with his bright colours and youth, represents his hope. Hope for not only Gotham, but for himself, his very soul. Robin is how Batman retains his humanity and doesn't fall over the edge, becoming more like the criminals he fights.

Beta said:

LMA0 said: Im Batman!....also Superman


This driver's licence ends the argument.
Batman > Robin.


For a second I thought that read SUBPARMAN, and I lol'd :P

Matrix6 said: spoilt?? oh well, that's too bad, a true batman fan would've seen this movie already...last year. So, I'll need to rewatch this again for more pleasure not that he's in a game, though not the same Robin.

No they wouldn't have at all, Batman is one of my faves but I have not watched it yet but i will now
Was Robin ever cool?

chucky110 said:

Matrix6 said: spoilt?? oh well, that's too bad, a true batman fan would've seen this movie already...last year. So, I'll need to rewatch this again for more pleasure not that he's in a game, though not the same Robin.

No they wouldn't have at all, Batman is one of my faves but I have not watched it yet but i will now


My bad, I guess a true Batman would have ALL the comics as they release and probably think most of these animated movies are a disgrace and not true to the comic?!? :O
Yeah, I highly recommend this as it's one of the better ones I've watched from all the DC and Marvel animated movies. Marvel Knights series are also cool but different and a bit weird. Even the Marvel Knights - Spider-Woman: Agent Of S.W.O.R.D is pretty awesome, kinda like the Pulp Fiction of animated movies. Has a very Manga feel to it in a Western form. I recommend that as well. Here's a preview trailer,;

Warning: Has violence with blood in it unlike most animated movies :D

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@DonnieK I never thought of Robin as "cool" per se, but my fave live action version is the one from the 60's [or whatever era it was] version. It was so funny and gay LoL.

Rashy said: I've been staying out of this because I'd need to write a blog to answer the question properly.
As with most comic book characters, there are a number of Robin's and there are an even greater number of interpretations of the character. I you hand yourself over to the author while still choosing who the character is to you. That makes this a tough question to answer. I think I can only speak to the Robin that I see in cmics.

Beta said: Batman is more equal with Catwoman than he is with Robin.
To me, I hate the Batman-Robin relationship. I don't think it's needed... Robin is meant to be a kid that just wants to help Batman out, and most of the time, Batman is cautious of Robin's presence.


I disagree. (trust me this is going to be my short answer)
Batman is a character who was so deeply affected by seeing his parents killed in front of him that he swore he would never let this happen again. He takes up the mantle of the bat to fight crime.
When he witnesses another child go through the same pain of seeing his parents killed, how should he react? He takes him on board recognising that the child (a circus performer) has a natural affinity for many of the skills required in the role.
Batman always has a plan, and he trains Robin essentially to succeed him. To be a better Batman when his time finally comes.
Robin fulfills another important role. Batmans journey is a very dark one. His motivation, to avenge his parents deaths in a most unusual way, sees him on the very fine outer line of sanity. Some would say that it's a line he has crossed. He allows himself so little, and his focus and determination on his single goal is what drives him.
Robin, with his bright colours and youth, represents his hope. Hope for not only Gotham, but for himself, his very soul. Robin is how Batman retains his humanity and doesn't fall over the edge, becoming more like the criminals he fights.



A valid view, particularly that of questioning Batman's own sanity by the manner he chooses to avenge his parents' death, but I wouldn't say Robin is his saving grace from becoming the criminals he commits himself to stopping. The fact that Batman refuses to use firearms and insists on rehabilitation rather than corporal punishment (ie. death sentence) to these serial-killers/criminals alone shows his own restraint from falling into the psychotic mindset of the very same criminals. Hell, I think Alfred does a better job at keeping Bruce Wayne sane than Robin ever would.

Robin was originally created as a "trusty side-kick" for Batman and to be his companion in crime fighting. It was simply a relationship that was relevant at the time of creation. This was back in the day when Batman's narrative wasn't nearly as dark and violent. These days, the relevance of Robin or side-kicks at all for that matter is almost nil especially since Batman's current image is almost that of a lone wolf...at least when it comes down to apprehending the bad guys.

DonnieK said: Was Robin ever cool?


Can be stop making the exact same joke now.
What is this, the fourth time already?

Most obvious joke ever, you're not gonna beat anyone to the punch three pages in.

Bunch of jokers you all are :P
 
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